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Sola scriptura
Biblical po ba ang Sola Scriptura? At ano po ito?
karapot- .
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Re: Sola scriptura
Ang ibig sabihin ng Sola Scriptura ay 'By the Scriptures Alone". Sa madaling salita, ang lahat na religious teachings should only be coming from the Word of God (Bible). Anything that is being taught outside of the Bible is to be considered unbiblical. Just like what the Roman Catholic Church is saying that teachings from their church traditions should also be considered as truth. Or as what the Iglesia ni Kristo is saying, that what there 'Pangkalahatang Pinuno' or what their Ministro is saying, like that Jesus is not God is truth (daw). In spite of its clear contradiction from the Bible revelation, that Jesus is also God and at the same time, being called also as Man in the Bible.karapot wrote:Biblical po ba ang Sola Scriptura? At ano po ito?
thethinker- .
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Re: Sola scriptura
Hay naku naman, di po biblical ang Sola Scriptura sapagkat di naman ito ang Pillar and Ground for the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!thethinker wrote:Ang ibig sabihin ng Sola Scriptura ay 'By the Scriptures Alone". Sa madaling salita, ang lahat na religious teachings should only be coming from the Word of God (Bible). Anything that is being taught outside of the Bible is to be considered unbiblical. Just like what the Roman Catholic Church is saying that teachings from their church traditions should also be considered as truth. Or as what the Iglesia ni Kristo is saying, that what there 'Pangkalahatang Pinuno' or what their Ministro is saying, like that Jesus is not God is truth (daw). In spite of its clear contradiction from the Bible revelation, that Jesus is also God and at the same time, being called also as Man in the Bible.karapot wrote:Biblical po ba ang Sola Scriptura? At ano po ito?
Dhugz- .
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Re: Sola scriptura
Sola Scriptura is not Biblical dahil kahir noong panahon ng mga Apostol, wala pang Biblia. They have oral traditions. At saka po pala, mas nauna ang Iglesya kesa sa Biblia kasi kung wala ang Iglesya wala ang Biblia.
At saka po, ang sabi ng Biblia ay ganito:
"So then, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye were taught, whether by word, or by epistle of ours." - 2 Th. 2:15 (ASV)
So, kung may mga tradisyon pala na by word na hindi nakasulat sa Biblia, paano tayo magiging sola Scriptura?!?
At saka po, ang sabi ng Biblia ay ganito:
"So then, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye were taught, whether by word, or by epistle of ours." - 2 Th. 2:15 (ASV)
So, kung may mga tradisyon pala na by word na hindi nakasulat sa Biblia, paano tayo magiging sola Scriptura?!?
Re: Sola scriptura
Sa Apostolic Holy tradition kasi ang pinagbasehan nang Catholic Church kung dapat bang isama sa Bible ang mga aklat na mag mamatch sa aral na ipinasa nang mga apostol. Marami kasing mga aklat noon ang nagsulpotan. Kaya marami ang nalilito noon kung alin ang hearsay or inspired scripture. Sa pamamagitan nang Catholic Church masusi nilang inalis ang hearsay na mga aklat. At iyong mga natira ito na iyong canonization of the Bible.
Pero dapat ding tandaan na hindi lahat nang Apostolic Tradition ay naisulat at napa aklat. Kaya masasabi nating may kakulangan kung ang Bible Alone ang pagbabasehan nang kanilang beliefs. Bukod pa sa iba ibang interpretasyon nang mga makakabasa nito dahil sa iba't ibang lenguahe na salin nito.
Pero dapat ding tandaan na hindi lahat nang Apostolic Tradition ay naisulat at napa aklat. Kaya masasabi nating may kakulangan kung ang Bible Alone ang pagbabasehan nang kanilang beliefs. Bukod pa sa iba ibang interpretasyon nang mga makakabasa nito dahil sa iba't ibang lenguahe na salin nito.
Amigo- .
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Re: Sola scriptura
thethinker wrote:
Ang ibig sabihin ng Sola Scriptura ay 'By the Scriptures Alone". Sa madaling salita, ang lahat na religious teachings should only be coming from the Word of God (Bible). Anything that is being taught outside of the Bible is to be considered unbiblical. Just like what the Roman Catholic Church is saying that teachings from their church traditions should also be considered as truth. Or as what the Iglesia ni Kristo is saying, that what there 'Pangkalahatang Pinuno' or what their Ministro is saying, like that Jesus is not God is truth (daw). In spite of its clear contradiction from the Bible revelation, that Jesus is also God and at the same time, being called also as Man in the Bible.
"ang lahat na religious teachings should only be coming from the Word of God (Bible)"
Where is that in the Bible?
ramcam2- ...
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Re: Sola scriptura
yun po ang sabi ng lolo nating katoliko sola scriptura daw dapat
BibleBot- .
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Re: Sola scriptura
BibleBot wrote:yun po ang sabi ng lolo nating katoliko sola scriptura daw dapat
hindi po eh.
nasaan po ang verse na nagpapatunay ng sola scriptura?
catholicarchie- .
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Re: Sola scriptura
This is one small area that the Catholics are correct. Wala nga sa Bible ang sola scriptura. Nasa imagination lang yan sa mga Evangelical who, during the Reformation, did not have the benefit of tradition and church authority; so they were forced to fall back on the last remaining source of authority - the Bible.
Ateo- ...
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Re: Sola scriptura
You cannot find the phrase "Bible alone" or "by the Bible alone" in the Bible itself so it's contradicts the teaching sola Scriptura. That's just a proof that sola Scriptura is a clear deception!
Re: Sola scriptura
Ateo wrote:This is one small area that the Catholics are correct. Wala nga sa Bible ang sola scriptura. Nasa imagination lang yan sa mga Evangelical who, during the Reformation, did not have the benefit of tradition and church authority; so they were forced to fall back on the last remaining source of authority - the Bible.
mali ka dyan brad dahil wala pang protestante pinauso na ng mga lolo nating katoliko ang sola scriptura katunayan ayun ke lolo seryong
Sabi nga ni Mang Seryo,
Sapagkat ang mga banal na misteryo ng ating pananampalataya ay hindi marapat na ipahayag sa ordinaryong pananalita malibang sa pamamagitan ng patotoo ng Banal na Kasulatan... Maging ako, kung sakaling magturo sa inyo ng anuman ay huwag niyong tatanggapin malibang ito'y mapatunayang totoo sa pamamagitan ng Banal na Kasulatan. Sapagkat ang kaligtasang ito na ating sinasampalatayanan ay hindi batay sa kaisipan o pangangatuwiran ng tao, bagkus ay pawang mga patotoo ng Banal na Kasulatan. (St. Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lecture IV.17)
BibleBot- .
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Re: Sola scriptura
pakana ng mga lolo nating katoliko ang sola scriptura tapos sisiraan nila ang doktrina naiyon bakit protestante ba si lolo seryong
BibleBot- .
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Re: Sola scriptura
BibleBot wrote:pakana ng mga lolo nating katoliko ang sola scriptura tapos sisiraan nila ang doktrina naiyon bakit protestante ba si lolo seryong
First of all, kung totoong aral ng Katoliko ang sola Scriptura, bakit pa nag-Protesta si Luthero na mag-sola Scriptura? Dapat 4 nalang ang solas ng mga Protestante ngayon. Are you making Martin Luther a baliw?
Re: Sola scriptura
Shon wrote:
First of all, kung totoong aral ng Katoliko ang sola Scriptura, bakit pa nag-Protesta si Luthero na mag-sola Scriptura? Dapat 4 nalang ang solas ng mga Protestante ngayon. Are you making Martin Luther a baliw?
hindi mo ba binasa ang paskil ko turo yan ng ating lolong katoliko na si lolo seryong
not unless baliw si lolo seryong
BibleBot- .
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Re: Sola scriptura
BibleBot wrote:
mali ka dyan brad dahil wala pang protestante pinauso na ng mga lolo nating katoliko ang sola scriptura katunayan ayun ke lolo seryong
Sabi nga ni Mang Seryo,
Sapagkat ang mga banal na misteryo ng ating pananampalataya ay hindi marapat na ipahayag sa ordinaryong pananalita malibang sa pamamagitan ng patotoo ng Banal na Kasulatan... Maging ako, kung sakaling magturo sa inyo ng anuman ay huwag niyong tatanggapin malibang ito'y mapatunayang totoo sa pamamagitan ng Banal na Kasulatan. Sapagkat ang kaligtasang ito na ating sinasampalatayanan ay hindi batay sa kaisipan o pangangatuwiran ng tao, bagkus ay pawang mga patotoo ng Banal na Kasulatan. (St. Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lecture IV.17)
You make us laugh, friend. You only mention half of what St. Cyril believes. Here is the other half......from the Catechism, that the Church, to whom the transmission and interpretation of Revelation is entrusted, "does not derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone. Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence."
'We believe in One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.” Council of Nicea I, Nicene Creed, (A.D. 325). 'But in learning the Faith and in professing it, acquire and keep that only, which is now delivered to thee by the Church, and which has been built up strongly out of all the Scriptures.' Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures 5,12 (c. A.D. 347).
'Learn also diligently, and from the Church, what are the books of the Old Testaments, and what are the books of the New.' Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures 5,33 (c. A.D. 347).
ramcam2- ...
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Re: Sola scriptura
Ito nga rin ang hindi ko maintindihan sa mga protesters...
Nag a appeal sila nang authority sa belief nang isang Catholic member para patunayan na tama sila pero as a whole sasabihin nila na mali naman daw ang Catholic...
So lumalabas na wrong quote lang ang ginagawa nitong mga protesters dahil as a whole hindi naman nila talaga pinapaniwalaan iyong tao dahil Katoliko ito...
Ito ang nakikita kung summary nitong usapang ito.
Protesters: Tama kami bilang solo Biblia kami...
Katoliko: Bakit kayo tama?
Protesters: Kasi parehas kami nang pakaka intindi ni Katolikong Seryo na solo Biblia.. ito basahin mo... copy paste (pugot quote kay Mang Seryo)
Katoliko: So tama pala si Katolikong Seryo dyan sa pinugot nyo na mensahe nya ... Kung hindi mo kasi pupugutin ang buong mensahe ni Katolikong Seryo eh sabi nya "Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence. and '"We believe in One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church."
Protesters: Hah? Eh mali naman si Mang Seryo dyan sa sinabi niya dahil hindi akma yan doon sa pagkaka intindi namin.
Katoliko: Ngek! Ano ba talaga KUYA? Tama ba talaga or Mali siya... Nanggagamit ka lang nang tao eh... dahil as a whole hindi ka naman pala talaga naniniwala kay Mang Seryo...
Protesters: Hindi mo ba alam na member kami nang pugot salita? Pupugutin namin iyong salita ni Mang Seryo para umakma sa amin... Dahil pag kinuha namin ang buong diwa ni Mang Seryo eh lalabas na mali kami... Kaya tama kami period...
LOL!
Nag a appeal sila nang authority sa belief nang isang Catholic member para patunayan na tama sila pero as a whole sasabihin nila na mali naman daw ang Catholic...
So lumalabas na wrong quote lang ang ginagawa nitong mga protesters dahil as a whole hindi naman nila talaga pinapaniwalaan iyong tao dahil Katoliko ito...
Ito ang nakikita kung summary nitong usapang ito.
Protesters: Tama kami bilang solo Biblia kami...
Katoliko: Bakit kayo tama?
Protesters: Kasi parehas kami nang pakaka intindi ni Katolikong Seryo na solo Biblia.. ito basahin mo... copy paste (pugot quote kay Mang Seryo)
Katoliko: So tama pala si Katolikong Seryo dyan sa pinugot nyo na mensahe nya ... Kung hindi mo kasi pupugutin ang buong mensahe ni Katolikong Seryo eh sabi nya "Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence. and '"We believe in One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church."
Protesters: Hah? Eh mali naman si Mang Seryo dyan sa sinabi niya dahil hindi akma yan doon sa pagkaka intindi namin.
Katoliko: Ngek! Ano ba talaga KUYA? Tama ba talaga or Mali siya... Nanggagamit ka lang nang tao eh... dahil as a whole hindi ka naman pala talaga naniniwala kay Mang Seryo...
Protesters: Hindi mo ba alam na member kami nang pugot salita? Pupugutin namin iyong salita ni Mang Seryo para umakma sa amin... Dahil pag kinuha namin ang buong diwa ni Mang Seryo eh lalabas na mali kami... Kaya tama kami period...
LOL!
Amigo- .
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Re: Sola scriptura
ramcam ayun ke lolo seryong saan daw dapat kunin ang ituturo o doktrina
BibleBot- .
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Re: Sola scriptura
mismong ang lolo nating si Sto. Tomas ganun din ang paniwala
"It should be noted that though many might write concerning Catholic truth, there is this difference that those who wrote the canonical Scripture, the Evangelists and Apostles, and the like, so constantly assert it that they leave no room for doubt. That is what he means when he says 'we know his witness is true.', "If anyone preach a gospel to you other than that which you have received, let him be anathema!" The reason is that only canonical Scripture is a measure of faith. Others however so wrote of the truth that they should not be believed save insofar as they say true things." (St. Thomas Aquinas, Commentary on the Gospel of John 21)
"It should be noted that though many might write concerning Catholic truth, there is this difference that those who wrote the canonical Scripture, the Evangelists and Apostles, and the like, so constantly assert it that they leave no room for doubt. That is what he means when he says 'we know his witness is true.', "If anyone preach a gospel to you other than that which you have received, let him be anathema!" The reason is that only canonical Scripture is a measure of faith. Others however so wrote of the truth that they should not be believed save insofar as they say true things." (St. Thomas Aquinas, Commentary on the Gospel of John 21)
BibleBot- .
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Re: Sola scriptura
Pugot at Dugas salita ni Sto. Tomas mo lang yan botbot ... promise! dahil as a whole hindi yan ang paniniwala ni Lolo Sto. Tomas..
Amigo- .
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Re: Sola scriptura
BibleBot wrote:ramcam ayun ke lolo seryong saan daw dapat kunin ang ituturo o doktrina
from the Church, to whom the transmission and interpretation of Revelation is entrusted.
ramcam2- ...
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BibleBot wrote:mismong ang lolo nating si Sto. Tomas ganun din ang paniwala
"It should be noted that though many might write concerning Catholic truth, there is this difference that those who wrote the canonical Scripture, the Evangelists and Apostles, and the like, so constantly assert it that they leave no room for doubt. That is what he means when he says 'we know his witness is true.', "If anyone preach a gospel to you other than that which you have received, let him be anathema!" The reason is that only canonical Scripture is a measure of faith. Others however so wrote of the truth that they should not be believed save insofar as they say true things." (St. Thomas Aquinas, Commentary on the Gospel of John 21)
and the good Saint is absolutely correct!
WE SHOULD NOT USE NON-CANONICAL BOOKS!
catholicarchie- .
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Saan ang Bible alone sa Biblia?
@BibleBot: Ang sinasbai ni Sto. Thomas Aquinas ay wag tayong gagamit ng non-canonical books.
@BibleBot: Ang sinasbai ni Sto. Thomas Aquinas ay wag tayong gagamit ng non-canonical books.
Lolo Bosyong- .
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Re: Sola scriptura
Lolo Bosyong wrote:Saan ang Bible alone sa Biblia?
@BibleBot: Ang sinasbai ni Sto. Thomas Aquinas ay wag tayong gagamit ng non-canonical books.
Sampal nga kay Biblebot yung statement ni St. Thomas Aquinas eh. Canonical kaya yung gamit nilang Bibliya gayong kalahati ng Canon ng Jewish religion ang sinunod nila at kalahati din sa Canon ng Iglesia Katolika. Ang tinutukoy ni St. Thomas Aquinas ay sundin ang Canon ng Iglesia Katolika, hindi yung kanon kanonan ng mga Protestante, pambababoy sa scripture ang Ginawa nila eh.
Dhugz- .
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Biblebot, sorry ha pero tinutulak mo na akong maniwala na mahina kayo sa reasoning. Diyos ko naman ano ba namang uring argumento yan wala man lang kadating-dating. Para kang namimitas sa isang puno ng mangga tapos pipiliin mo lang yong gusto mo at kapag hindi ok yong isa pagkatapos mong pakinabangan e ayaw mo na?
MarcCatholic- ..
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Re: Sola scriptura
Tsk tsk tsk yang mga nag-pa-praktis ng sola Scriptura talaga oh kung anu-ano ang mga nirarason. Parang si (Ka) Daniel Razon
Saan ba ang salitang Bible alone sa Banal na Biblia mismo? Wala! Wala silang mapakitang proweba kasi mga supalpal sila. BibleBot, saan ang Bible alone sa Banal na Kasulatan? Pakitaan mo nga ako ng bersikulo...
Saan ba ang salitang Bible alone sa Banal na Biblia mismo? Wala! Wala silang mapakitang proweba kasi mga supalpal sila. BibleBot, saan ang Bible alone sa Banal na Kasulatan? Pakitaan mo nga ako ng bersikulo...
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