Sex Education IS NOW OPEN....

Chastity is overrated. Mary got pregnant while supposedly chaste

Ateo wrote:Chastity is overrated. Mary got pregnant while supposedly chaste

I'm sorry there are times when I'm down, and this is the moment when I am weak. I withdrew my post.

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In honor of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

Ateo wrote:Chastity is overrated. Mary got pregnant while supposedly chaste

Overrated in what sense Ateo?

Esther wrote:

or maybe korril was a bit excited that he didn't realized that in scholastic or academic we learn those things.

What Yidda maybe's pointing out is the morality behind these proposed UN back sex - ed may lead the children to something else. And she emphasize it is the duty parents to educate their children not some hired employees. The thing that korril says parents have no time for their children etc... is out of the question, it is out of the Q? because it proves the real root of the prob. is the christians themselves who do not listen to what church teaches.

In short you are crooss examining here about this repro when she said this tech soln. does not solve at all. why should you go on the details of it.


Oh I forgot something I should not mess with this. Yidda can speak for herself.

Well this matter is easy to resolve. Please answer this simple question:

How is sex education (being taught in school) immoral?

We should not teach sex ed. to students because they are very young to know that. BUT you know, some students, even they are not yet studying sex ed, already know sex. I don't know why but the reason I think is they are influenced by other children. But still, there are still innocent students. Oh Lord God, please protect this innocent students!

Ash Ketchum wrote:We should not teach sex ed. to students because they are very young to know that. BUT you know, some students, even they are not yet studying sex ed, already know sex. I don't know why but the reason I think is they are influenced by other children. But still, there are still innocent students. Oh Lord God, please protect this innocent students!

It's funny you would admit that but still oppose sex education in school. Here's a few things for you to consider:

1. Children, as early as five, have a basic concept of sex. Problem is, what is that concept?

2. Where did children learn it? Better yet, what did they "learn?"

And a few questions I'd like you to answer:

What is really taught in sex education class?

Does it tell students to engage in sex?

Does it corrupt their morals?

Korill, Ash Ketchum is a child. He is the former PusoniMaria. As a kid, he seems very knowledgeable. Ask him where and how he learned about it.

On another matter, this reminds me that we need to find a child in this forum to sacrifice to the rain god Tlaloc. I'm still looking... And if Ash wants to try what Isaac experienced when Abraham tried to make him into a barbecue, then the table is open for volunteers. (joke)

Ateo wrote:Korill, Ash Ketchum is a child. He is the former PusoniMaria. As a kid, he seems very knowledgeable. Ask him where and how he learned about it.

On another matter, this reminds me that we need to find a child in this forum to sacrifice to the rain god Tlaloc. I'm still looking... And if Ash wants to try what Isaac experienced when Abraham tried to make him into a barbecue, then the table is open for volunteers. (joke)

Well, that's nice to know.

The real question now is: Why is he opposed to it?

note: I edited my two post above in honor of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

korrill wrote:

Well this matter is easy to resolve. Please answer this simple question:

How is sex education (being taught in school) immoral?

should it be taught? is there a guarantee that it would not affect the values and morals of children?

regarding your disscussion with Yidda, she best knows more than you in terms of reproductive system. She a graduate of practical nursing knows that. And I believe she responded to you and Ateo ethically. She doesn't need to enumerate each part of the reproductive organ( like ateo does) to prove she knows what scholastic and this proposed UN backed sex-ed is all about.

Anyway Yidda will be here to post in response to your opinions.

Frankly, i don't get it why there's opposition to the sexEd issue. The seculars are merely on a mission to lessen, if not stop the immoralities that haven't been properly handled by the Moral Institutions for decades! They're simply offering an alternative approach to lessen the repercussions this has on the nation as a whole.

Is the opposition in favor with the status-quo? Seeing babies and fetuses being thrown in sewers, teenage mothers dying of unwarranted complications, and street children proliferating on the streets?

korrill wrote:

"Well this matter is easy to resolve. Please answer this simple question:

How is sex education (being taught in school) immoral?"

No one says that the scholastic curriculum pertaining to reproductive are immoral unless you are quoting my post out of context. The proposed UN backed sex-ed may lead to ... “may lead to” is what is being said.

korrill wrote:
I didn't miss your point. What happened is that you are trying to shift the focus. The issue is about children learning about the reproductive processes. Your original argument, along with that of Harballah, is that sex education should be left to the parents. I pointed out the problems with that proposition. Ateo added a few as well.

Now you're arguing that if parents are not interested, then it shouldn't be pursued. Which brings us back to the problem again: children/teenagers who have no idea about human sexuality, reproductive processes, and what they entail.

So where would your have them learn about human sexuality? In the streets with friends who are just about as clueless about such issues? How about porn mags and videos? Or maybe you prefer the hands-on approach and let them just go ahead and experiment what it's like?

Which placed my post out of context.Kindly read your post: here below.

korrill wrote:

Which brings us again to the first issue:

A problem with the proposition that sex should be left to parents is
that:

a. parents don't actually take time for such things
b.
parent feel uncomfortable discussing such things to their children
c.
many parents have a limited understanding of sexual and reproductive
health. Most of the time, that knowledge is limited to
"sex=pregnancy=baby" and a little "condom=no baby." But
issues such as
STD's, menstrual cycles, methods of determining fertility,
contraception, etc. are rarely part of it.



Again: Where did you learn about the
reproductive process

In to which you failed to realized that there is an issue on parental educ. As your post clearly identified. It lacks ."Parental education". Which I stated and posted before the proper(generally) roles of parents to their children and must be seriously look upon, e,g, see my post before.. Also the root cause of the problem is not the children themselves. Why should it be pursued then when in your mouth comes this Parenting issue.

korrill wrote:

What you have presented is a non-solution to the argument since it doesn't care to address the problem at hand.[/size]

There is of course continuos and existing one - on the Commission of Family and Life ,It has several programs for couples as well as childrens. The Pre – cana the post cana etc.. it is waiting and open for everyone.

Even the Dep – Ed has existing program on this.The Annual Parent Convention for high school student (whether this program is nationwide or exclusive at least there is).

Topic : Effective Parenting. Speakers are educators (psychologist behavioral science major a prominent writer forgot her name) , a Priest and non catholic.. This was launch last year and a day ago it was repeated..

korrill wrote:

Basically, you have just shown what your true argument is: Don't teach it because we don't like it.

It is also a pious Duty to look and examine the intention and morality of the proposed program. Education teach yes, but not all education are good.

korrill wrote:

Nice rhetoric. But it doesn't answer what I asked: Which moral law would be used?

General morality is subjective. What is moral for one may not be moral for another. The Amish engage in polygamy but polygamy is taboo in many other sects of christianity. Hindus practice polytheism but polytheism is wrong in the eyes of Islam.

In the same way, not everybody views as wrong.

In this instance, your arguing the imposition of your moral code on others - whether they like it or not. Your opposition is simply because you perceive it to be wrong but you haven't actually presented any solid reason why it is other than your beliefs

Your own statements refutes your stand. Do you play Russian roulette?

Since you claim morality is subjective(which I believe is FALSE), which morality is correct? What certain morality will we follow then? That of the educator ? that of hindus etc. one thing is certain " we are uncertain "… therefore, If you want to Pursue it : then You are playing Russian Roulette with your children.Compromising their future , moral and values.

korrill wrote:

Now are you saying that only parents are moral? That teachers in school have no morals?

It's funny how you always give an answer that never addresses the question.

Out of context ? or sorry if I write so past and the sentence gives vague or unclear information. I'm saying in the light of morality (right and wrong)Who’s should be the teacher the world(secular) or the church?

Yidda wrote:
Although I did not give must emphasis on what “secular word teaches,” doesn’t mean I knew nothing about it. In light of what is right and moral who’s teacher would you choose?”

This is the content of my post: when being repeatedly asked about my knowledge on reproductive educ.

Ateo wrote:Korill, Ash Ketchum is a child. He is the former PusoniMaria. As a kid, he seems very knowledgeable. Ask him where and how he learned about it.

On another matter, this reminds me that we need to find a child in this forum to sacrifice to the rain god Tlaloc. I'm still looking... And if Ash wants to try what Isaac experienced when Abraham tried to make him into a barbecue, then the table is open for volunteers. (joke)

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please bear the format of my post above. I dont intend to make the other fonts big, I'm trying to format them proporsionally but since the other quotes are copypasted. I find a hard time working on it. so that is what it looks like.

esther thanks for your support. and God bless for editing your post on p. 3 I apprecioate it.

I guess this is a very delicate topic for kids.

miss_terry wrote:I guess this is a very delicate topic for kids.

yes, I suggest the posters to be keen in their post.

Yidda wrote:please bear the format of my post above. I dont intend to make the other fonts big, I'm trying to format them proporsionally but since the other quotes are copypasted. I find a hard time working on it. so that is what it looks like.

esther thanks for your support. and God bless for editing your post on p. 3 I apprecioate it.

try to edit again ate, I feel this time it will work.

Esther wrote:

try to edit again ate, I feel this time it will work.

it works thanks!

Esther wrote:should it be taught? is there a guarantee that it would not affect the values and morals of children?

regarding your disscussion with Yidda, she best knows more than you in terms of reproductive system. She a graduate of practical nursing knows that. And I believe she responded to you and Ateo ethically. She doesn't need to enumerate each part of the reproductive organ( like ateo does) to prove she knows what scholastic and this proposed UN backed sex-ed is all about.

Anyway Yidda will be here to post in response to your opinions.

For starters, you did not answer my question. Why is that?

Second, Yidda did not answer the question that Ateo and I posted. We asked her where she learned about the reproductive process. She never answered it. And I find that strange that a person who argues that sex education should be left to parents can't answer such a simple question related to her argument.

You can say that she answered ethically, but that does not change the fact that she did not answer the question itself. Again, why is that?

Third, Yidda posted claims about what children would pick-up in sex education classes. If you even bothered to read the posts, here's one of the claims she made:

Yidda wrote:It is very clear that this set of teachings seeks to teach children that immoral sexual acts are moral, that no differences in roles should be based on gender, and that thinking otherwise is wrong (a phobia or a type of discrimination, or a root of violence)

So I ask: Where in sex education is this taught?

Shouldn't be hard for her to answer since, as you claim, she knows a lot about sex education with her being a graduate of Nursing, and all.

A little something about me, though: I'm a graduate of computer programming with a minor on hardware troubleshooting. But before that, I took up three years of nursing. So I'm very much familiar with sex education and reproductive health.

Please remember this situation the next time you think of looking-down on those you disagree with.

Yidda wrote:No one says that the scholastic curriculum pertaining to reproductive are immoral unless you are quoting my post out of context. The proposed UN backed sex-ed may lead to ... “may lead to” is what is being said.

Really?

Yidda wrote:It is very clear that this set of teachings seeks to teach children that immoral sexual acts are moral, that no differences in roles should be based on gender, and that thinking otherwise is wrong (a phobia or a type of discrimination, or a root of violence)

Yidda wrote:Educating children at home first is more important these days for a Catholic family.Modesty and reticence are guardians of chastity. When these are broken down, through casual discussion in groups of what should be intimate, personal matters, the child loses his strongest defense against unchastity.

Although I did not give must emphasis on what “secular word teaches,” doesn’t mean I knew nothing about it. In light of what is right and moral who’s teacher would you choose?”

I don't see any "may" in any of your post. All one can see in your posts are direct accusations of sex education compromising the morals of children.

Which placed my post out of context.Kindly read your post: here below.

In to which you failed to realized that there is an issue on parental educ. As your post clearly identified. It lacks ."Parental education". Which I stated and posted before the proper(generally) roles of parents to their children and must be seriously look upon, e,g, see my post before.. Also the root cause of the problem is not the children themselves. Why should it be pursued then when in your mouth comes this Parenting issue.

I didn't fail to realize that. I pointed it out, didn't I. But in case you missed it, I also pointed out another major issue regarding parents being the ones to teach children sex education:

a. parents don't actually take time for such things
b. parents feel uncomfortable discussing such things to their children

Which is why I gave the example of my life and why we asked you: Where did you learn about the reproductive processes?

Yidda wrote:There is of course continuos and existing one - on the Commission of Family and Life ,It has several programs for couples as well as childrens. The Pre – cana the post cana etc.. it is waiting and open for everyone.

Even the Dep – Ed has existing program on this.The Annual Parent Convention for high school student (whether this program is nationwide or exclusive at least there is).

Topic : Effective Parenting. Speakers are educators (psychologist behavioral science major a prominent writer forgot her name) , a Priest and non catholic.. This was launch last year and a day ago it was repeated..

So tell us, what is taught in these sessions?

I'll just go out of my way and say that those programs you mentioned are very much isolated seeing as it is not even found in the DepEd's memos.

It is also a pious Duty to look and examine the intention and morality of the proposed program. Education teach yes, but not all education are good.

So please answer the question: How is sex education (taught in school) immoral?

Yidda wrote:Your own statements refutes your stand. Do you play Russian roulette?

Since you claim morality is subjective(which I believe is FALSE), which morality is correct? What certain morality will we follow then? That of the educator ? that of hindus etc. one thing is certain " we are uncertain "… therefore, If you want to Pursue it : then You are playing Russian Roulette with your children.Compromising their future , moral and values.

There's a term for the argument you gave: Fallacy of Appeal to Emotions (Fear)

You used the russian roulette as a push to promote your particular brand of morality. Problem is, the russian roulette analogy applies equally for your position as with the others.

So tell us: Why should we adopt your morality?

You haven't shown how it is better than the others. You haven't shown that it is right and others are wrong.

You have yet to show us why we should have a problem with single parent families or ostracize them and their children rather than accept them. Or why we should condemn same sex couples raising a child the best way they can rather than applaud them for their efforts to give their child a good up-bringing.

Or why we should view teaching our children something that would help them make more responsible decisions in life as something immoral.

Simply put, that just rests on your belief. As I pointed out, not everyone shares your belief.

Yidda wrote:Out of context ? or sorry if I write so past and the sentence gives vague or unclear information. I'm saying in the light of morality (right and wrong)Who’s should be the teacher the world(secular) or the church?

Allow me to change my question, then: Are you saying that those who subscribe to a secular view-point are immoral?

I find it amusing that there are still people who subscribe to the notion tha religion=morality.

Yidda wrote:This is the content of my post: when being repeatedly asked about my knowledge on reproductive educ.

And it doesn't answer a single thing which leads one to the conclusion that you really don't have an answer or basis for your claim.

It is very clear that this set of teachings seeks to teach children that immoral sexual acts are moral, that no differences in roles should be based on gender, and that thinking otherwise is wrong (a phobia or a
type of discrimination, or a root of violence)

So prove me wrong.

For starters you are welcome to review the previous post.

It says the Un - backed :

for the
exact quote: from Yidda here is it.
This UN-backed sex- ed in the Phillipines usurping the role of religion in teaching morality. Kids 5 to 8 years old would be taught: "Many different kinds of families exist around the world (e.g. two-parent, single parent, child-headed, guardian-headed, extended and nuclear families, same-sex couple parents, etc.)"

All children would be taught that all families should have "gender equality", in other words a concept of family that does not give different roles based on gender.

kid 9 to 12 would be taught about "homophobia" and "transphobia".

It is very clear that this set of teachings seeks to teach children that immoral sexual acts are moral, that no differences in roles should be based on gender, and that thinking otherwise is wrong (a phobia or a type of discrimination, or a root of violence)

She's clearly speaking of the effect of the UN backed program and the teaching will lead to or seeks to immorality. She identify the problem which will the program will lead. Quoting several sentences may put you out of context. You can state your case in a paragraph. instead of quoting every sentence of the poster. The " in red " are from UN

Your so persistance on determining the background of everyone of us with regards to sex-ed, don't tell me being that those who are here, who does have limited knowledge of reproductive educ, are not qualified to explain why is it wrong. What is morality to you?

We do not intend to go far when it comes to sex ed. Our stand it must not be implemented. We learn in our curriculum the academic reproductive system. But on this on how one acquired Aids or unwanted pregnancy etc.. and the solution is sex-ed. I believe it is wrong, it comes the parental issue which you see. You should be happy for identiying it sir.

by the way that is a report on U.N. recommendations on sex ed.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,543203,00.html

Maganda ang layunin ng sex ed, para maging aware ang mga bata sa aids at di inaasahang pagbubuntis

Brother wrote:Maganda ang layunin ng sex ed, para maging aware ang mga bata sa aids at di inaasahang pagbubuntis

sino ang dapat magturo? Papayag ka bang ibang magturo sa iyong anak? Lalo na nakataya rin ang "values"(kabutihang asal) at moralidad ng bata. At kung hindi mo rin nasusubaybayan ang bata palagay mo ba makakatulong ang sex ed "when it comes to good morals and value of a child"?