Heaven and Earth

OneJack wrote:

Granting that what you have said is true, does that affect the reality of God?

heaven is a place on earth...who needs proof?

Esther wrote:

ramcam,

may I asked for more questions. Where is Lucifer before the fall?

thanks.

Dear fellow readers,

Our disscussions here are not infallible some may fall on one owns fallible opinion, some are speculative, so feel free to join us and share your insight on this matter.

yours in Christ,

Esther

Ateo wrote:Iba ba ang Grand Plan ng mga angels? Di ba sila kasama sa salvific plan ni Jesus? Bakit parang one strike out kaagad sila? Kailan nangyari itong fall ni Lucifer? During the Creation Week or before the Creation, which makes them pre-Creation creatures?

This is where everything falls apart...
Lucifer who was with god in heaven sinned. He actually committed the
first sin..not Adam. And since he was with god, he is in heaven. Sin was
committed in heaven. So to those who wants to go to heaven with god,
there is no guarantee that you will not sin again....

Mojako wrote:

Ang pagkakaalam ko nagrebelde o nagmataas si LUCIFER na gusto nyang maabot o mapantayan ang position ng Dios at si LUCIFER o SATANAS ay nagmataas o naging hambog sya sa kanyang sarili...

Ang kasalanan po ay ang paglabag sa utos si SATANAS ay naging hambog o nagpakataas sa kanyang sarili.....

sakundes wrote:The Book of Genesis alone is more than sufficient enough to disprove the existence of your god.. it cannot simply be compatible with all the scientific facts we have today.

vril wrote:heaven is a place on earth...who needs proof?

sakundes wrote:

they cant even get it right.. the OT tells us it's the garden of eden, the NT then tells us it's Heaven.. their judeo-christian cosmic architecture is a mess.

all the dead will rise on judgement day.. i mean exhumed as zombees? and how will a corporeal body exist in heaven? i thought for along time that it was a spirit realm. it's all f*cked up +_+

isa lang ba sya o marami silang nag aklas?

OneJack wrote:

What heaven?

Mojako wrote:

Maraming nahikayat si SATANAS na mga anghel din...

vril wrote:

depends on how you define it...^_~

OneJack wrote:
let's talk the one that you raised here for proof.

vril wrote:

sure bro. I define heaven as a place you get pleasure temporarily.

vril wrote: I say temporarily because when we die....game over na po.

vril wrote: Heaven can never be eternal. That's illogical.

vril wrote:Heaven can be found physically, i.e, during sex, socially when spending time with your loved ones and friends. Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays are what i consider heavenly holidays...and lots more! A simple smile from a child is heaven.

vril wrote:What is your definition of heaven?

Ateo wrote:Noong nag-aklas sina Lucifer bakit hinayaan ni God na lumala at tumagal? Di ba isang pitik lang dapat niya at naglaho na ang mga rebeldeng ito? Bakit parang malaking digmaan drama ek ek ang nangyari at nangyayari hanggang ngayon?

OneJack wrote:

Kung opinion lang ang gusto mo, makinig ka sa mga taong sasagot sa tanong na iyan, pero kung gusto mo ng tamang kasagutan, isa lang ang makasasagot diyan, ang Dios lang iyon na katabi mo ngayon.

OneJack wrote:
Where do you come from with this definition?

I don't know what you mean?



So, if I got you right, heaven is here on Earth right now? Heaven is where pleasures can be found, is that what you mean to say?

yes!


Your basis for this????

Yes! Logical thinking


I guess you are an Atenian, aren't you?

What's an atenian?



Heaven is where God's Kingdom dwelleth and it will soon be the Paradise of those who are the true followers of God.