Mabisang Terapi: Bugbugin ang Asawa

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Pambubugbug ng asawa? Sabi ng Koran? Tindi nun ah...

Ano kaya say ng ating mga kapatid na Muslim tungkol sa isyu na ito? Hmmmmm...

Shon wrote:Ano kaya say ng ating mga kapatid na Muslim tungkol sa isyu na ito? Hmmmmm...

Wala kaming say kasi walang katuruan ang Allah na therapy ang pagbugbog sa asawa, in fact may kalayaan ang babae na kapag nasaktan ng asawa ay hiwalayan ito, sa inyo po ba ay puwede bang hiwalayan ng babae ang kanyang asawang lalaki?

Ito proof sa Islam na puwedeng hiwalayan ang lalaki ayon sa Allah.

4:128. If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband's part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; and such settlement is best; even though men's souls are swayed by greed. But if ye do good and practise self-restraint, Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do.


Ngayon kayo naman ang maglatag sa bibliya ninyo o katuruan sa inyo.

Pambubugbog, mabisang therapy?

gin wrote:Pambubugbog, mabisang therapy?

Gin dahil ikaw ay nandito ay nais ko rin maging saksi ka sa Aral sa ISLAM kung ano ang turo ng propheta Muhammad (pbuh).


Sunan Abudawod:

Book 11, Number 2137:

Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri:

Mu'awiyah asked: Apostle of Allah, what is the right of the wife of one of us over him? He replied: That you should give her food when you eat, clothe her when you clothe yourself, do not strike her on the face, do not revile her or separate yourself from her except in the house.


Book 11, Number 2138:

Narrated Mu'awiyah ibn Haydah:

I said: Apostle of Allah, how should we approach our wives and how should we leave them? He replied: Approach your tilth when or how you will, give her (your wife) food when you take food, clothe when you clothe yourself, do not revile her face, and do not beat her.

Book 11, Number 2139:

Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri:

I went to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them.



Sahih Muslim:

Book 008, Number 3467:

Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported: Woman has been created from a rib and will in no way be straightened for you; so if you wish to benefit by her, benefit by her while crookedness remains in her. And if you attempt to straighten her, you will break her, and breaking her is divorcing her.


Book 008, Number 3468:

Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who believes in Allah and the Hereafter, if he witnesses any matter he should talk in good terms about it or keep quiet. Act kindly towards woman, for woman is created from a rib, and the most crooked part of the rib is its top. If you attempt to straighten it, you will break it, and if you leave it, its crookedness will remain there. So act kindly towards women.


Malinaw itong nakasaad sa banal na Quran.

4:19
"O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower [money given by the husband to the wife for the marriage contract] ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good.

30:21
"And among God's signs is this: He created for you mates from amongst yourselves (males as mates for females and vice versa) that you might find tranquillity and peace in them. And he has put love and kindness among you. Herein surely are signs for those who reflect.

4:128
"If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband's part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; and such settlement is best; even though men's souls are swayed by greed. But if ye do good and practise self-restraint, God is well-acquainted with all that ye do.

2:231
"And when you men have divorced women, ...then either retain them in kindness if you reconcile, or part with them in kindness. Do not retain them to harm them so that you transgress limits. He who does this has wronged himself.

24:26
"Women impure for men impure. And women of purity for men of purity. These are not affected by what people say. For them is forgiveness and an honorable provision.


9:71
"And the believers men and women are friends one of the other, they enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong, and they establish worship and pay the poor due, and they obey God and his messenger. As for these, God will have mercy on them...


I hope na makatulong ito sa mga nagsasabing ang pagbugbog sa Islam sa mga kababaihan ay isang therapy lamang, ang aral ng Islam ay naayon sa nakatala sa Quran at hadith o sunnah ng propheta Muhammad (pbuh) hindi sa sinuman nagsasabing therapy ito.

buti pa si shemp umamin na terapi nga ang pambubugbog sa mga pasaway na asawa

shemptrax wrote:
hindi, at oo kasi defende ang tunay na sagot dyan, defende sa sitwasyon kung anung uri ng kasalanan ang nagawa ng babae,yung paggamit sa tinutukoy mo na tereafy e hendi nyo naunawaan. halimbawa sabihin ko sa inyo na terafy din ang hindi bug bugin ang asawa, kausapin lang, panu kaya kung ang kasalanan e nagpaasawakay kumpare,anu kayang terafy ang gagawin nyo? sa islam kasi malabo yan mangyari, dahil may batas dyan ang islam,kamatayan ang terafy dyan.

salamat at umamin sya at nagpakatotoo

denayal to det kasi ang iba dyan eh. salamat sa pag-amin.

Yan ang sagot ni shemp nung tinanong ko siya kung sang-ayon siya na terapy yung panguumbag.

Di nyo sinasabing oo sa akin, puro lang kayo hindi. puro lang kayo walang terapi. Buti na lang si Shemp nagpapakatotoo may oo na sagot.

Botbot ito ang turo ng propheta MUhammad (pbuh) at mula sa Quran, sino ba ang dapat paniwalaan namin ?

harballah wrote:

Gin dahil ikaw ay nandito ay nais ko rin maging saksi ka sa Aral sa ISLAM kung ano ang turo ng propheta Muhammad (pbuh).


Sunan Abudawod:

Book 11, Number 2137:

Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri:

Mu'awiyah asked: Apostle of Allah, what is the right of the wife of one of us over him? He replied: That you should give her food when you eat, clothe her when you clothe yourself, do not strike her on the face, do not revile her or separate yourself from her except in the house.


Book 11, Number 2138:

Narrated Mu'awiyah ibn Haydah:

I said: Apostle of Allah, how should we approach our wives and how should we leave them? He replied: Approach your tilth when or how you will, give her (your wife) food when you take food, clothe when you clothe yourself, do not revile her face, and do not beat her.

Book 11, Number 2139:

Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri:

I went to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them.



Sahih Muslim:

Book 008, Number 3467:

Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported: Woman has been created from a rib and will in no way be straightened for you; so if you wish to benefit by her, benefit by her while crookedness remains in her. And if you attempt to straighten her, you will break her, and breaking her is divorcing her.


Book 008, Number 3468:

Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who believes in Allah and the Hereafter, if he witnesses any matter he should talk in good terms about it or keep quiet. Act kindly towards woman, for woman is created from a rib, and the most crooked part of the rib is its top. If you attempt to straighten it, you will break it, and if you leave it, its crookedness will remain there. So act kindly towards women.


Malinaw itong nakasaad sa banal na Quran.

4:19
"O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower [money given by the husband to the wife for the marriage contract] ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good.

30:21
"And among God's signs is this: He created for you mates from amongst yourselves (males as mates for females and vice versa) that you might find tranquillity and peace in them. And he has put love and kindness among you. Herein surely are signs for those who reflect.

4:128
"If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband's part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; and such settlement is best; even though men's souls are swayed by greed. But if ye do good and practise self-restraint, God is well-acquainted with all that ye do.

2:231
"And when you men have divorced women, ...then either retain them in kindness if you reconcile, or part with them in kindness. Do not retain them to harm them so that you transgress limits. He who does this has wronged himself.

24:26
"Women impure for men impure. And women of purity for men of purity. These are not affected by what people say. For them is forgiveness and an honorable provision.


9:71
"And the believers men and women are friends one of the other, they enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong, and they establish worship and pay the poor due, and they obey God and his messenger. As for these, God will have mercy on them...


I hope na makatulong ito sa mga nagsasabing ang pagbugbog sa Islam sa mga kababaihan ay isang therapy lamang, ang aral ng Islam ay naayon sa nakatala sa Quran at hadith o sunnah ng propheta Muhammad (pbuh) hindi sa sinuman nagsasabing therapy ito.

BibleBot wrote:buti pa si shemp umamin na terapi nga ang pambubugbog sa mga pasaway na asawa



salamat at umamin sya at nagpakatotoo

denayal to det kasi ang iba dyan eh. salamat sa pag-amin.

Pakita mo nga sa akin ang link ng naging talatakayan ninyo ni Shemp para sa ganoon ay mapuntahan ko.

nagpapasalamat ako sa tugon ni shemp. nauunawaan ko ang sagot nya at tinatanggap ko yan. di man ako sang-ayon pero yan ang sagot na hinahanap ko sa mga kapwa muslim. salamat at inamin nya na pwedeng mambugbog ng asawa sa koran kung lumalabag yung babae bilang terapy - di man ako sang-ayon sa pamamraan na yan pero yan talaga ang nasa koran

BibleBot wrote:nagpapasalamat ako sa tugon ni shemp. nauunawaan ko ang sagot nya at tinatanggap ko yan. di man ako sang-ayon pero yan ang sagot na hinahanap ko sa mga kapwa muslim. salamat at inamin nya na pwedeng mambugbog ng asawa sa koran kung lumalabag yung babae bilang terapy - di man ako sang-ayon sa pamamraan na yan pero yan talaga ang nasa koran

Wala siyang inamin na puwedeng mambugbog dahil therapy iyan atsaka may thread nga pala ako sa iyo sa general discussion kasi gusto kung maibigay mo sa akin ang link kung saan nakatalakayan mo si Shemp.

Pakibigay lang po iyong link na kausap mo si Shemp.

basahin mo ang sagot ni shemp ang sabi niya

hindi at oo depende daw pero pag ang babae sobra daw pasaway kamatayan daw ang dapat na terafy dun

basahin maigi

buti pa sya nagpapakatotoo di gaya ninyo kahit huli na sa akto denayal pa rin

BibleBot wrote:basahin mo ang sagot ni shemp ang sabi niya

hindi at oo depende daw pero pag ang babae sobra daw pasaway kamatayan daw ang dapat na terafy dun

basahin maigi

buti pa sya nagpapakatotoo di gaya ninyo kahit huli na sa akto denayal pa rin

Nasaan na iyong link botbot kasi ako kapag namumulot ako ng post doon sa OLD BARM ay inilalagay ko ang link, ngayon nasaan na ang link na kausap mo nga si Shemp.

teka wag muna ninyong ilihis ang paksa kasi kapwa ninyo muslim na ang nagpaptunay na terapi nga yung pambubugbog ng asawa

BibleBot wrote:teka wag muna ninyong ilihis ang paksa kasi kapwa ninyo muslim na ang nagpaptunay na terapi nga yung pambubugbog ng asawa

Nililihis ba o nasusukol na kayo, nasaan na ang link ng usapin ninyo ni Shemp huwag ka ng mahiya kung mahuli kung sino ka ba talaga at kung gaano ka kasinungaling.

harballah wrote:

Nililihis ba o nasusukol na kayo, nasaan na ang link ng usapin ninyo ni Shemp huwag ka ng mahiya kung mahuli kung sino ka ba talaga at kung gaano ka kasinungaling.

o ayan namemersonal ka na. pag talo na kayo sa aral ang gagawin ninyo eh namemersonal

wag namang ganun mukhang umuusok na ang ilong ninyo sa galit eh

sagutin mo harballah bakit umamin si shemp na terapi nga ang pambubugbog sa pasaway na asawa

baka mamaya sabihin mo eh di si shemp na lang ang debatihin mo

so far nagkakaisa ang mga iskolar at si shemp na terapi nga ang pambubugbog ng asawa

BibleBot wrote:

o ayan namemersonal ka na. pag talo na kayo sa aral ang gagawin ninyo eh namemersonal

wag namang ganun mukhang umuusok na ang ilong ninyo sa galit eh

sagutin mo harballah bakit umamin si shemp na terapi nga ang pambubugbog sa pasaway na asawa

baka mamaya sabihin mo eh di si shemp na lang ang debatihin mo

so far nagkakaisa ang mga iskolar at si shemp na terapi nga ang pambubugbog ng asawa

Pakiusap lang biblebot huwag mong babuyin ang thread mo, alam ko na mambababoy kayo pero ikaw rin ang nagsabi na nakakatalakayan mo si Shemp, nasaan ang link para sa ganoon ay malaman ko ang katotohanan ng sinasabi mo, kung nagkamali kayo ng pagpaskil dito about Shemp ay mauunawaan ko basta huwag lang po kayo magkalat ng kasinungalingan.

tanungin po ninyo si shemp kasi umamin na siya na terapi nga ang pambubugbog ng mga asawang pasaway

BibleBot wrote:tanungin po ninyo si shemp kasi umamin na siya na terapi nga ang pambubugbog ng mga asawang pasaway

Bakit ko tatanungin si Shemp gayong gusto ko na ibigay mo ang link para malaman ko kung saan mo nakausap si Shemp sa OLD BARM at kung sinong username ang ginamit mo doon.

Latag na para mawala na ang alingasngas kung sino ka doon sa OLD BARM.

Matanong ko lang po kayong dalawa, alam n'yo po ba ang ibig sabihin ng salitang 'therapy'?

gin wrote:Matanong ko lang po kayong dalawa, alam n'yo po ba ang ibig sabihin ng salitang 'therapy'?

ang salitang terapi po ay ang ibig sabihin nun ay lunas

sa kanilang koran kung babasahin mo ang mga previous post ito po ay naglalaman ng mga lunas sa mga asawang pasaway

hindi lang pala ang muslim iskolar at si shemp ang nagsasabing terapi daw ang pambubugbog ng asawang pasaway alam ninyo po bang miski isang judge sa Jeddah ang nagpapatunay na talagang terapi nga ito. mabuti basahin ninyo ang sipi na nasa ibaba.


Judge’s comments raise women’s ire
Hayat Al-Ghamdi | Arab News

ABHA: A Jeddah court judge’s approval of husbands slapping their wives on the face if they spend money lavishly on unnecessary things triggered a hue and cry during a seminar on domestic violence here recently.

“If a person gives SR1,200 to his wife and she spends SR900 to purchase an abaya (the black gown) from a brand shop and if her husband slaps her on the face as a reaction to her action, she deserves that punishment,” said Judge Hamad Al-Razine.

The judge made this comment in the presence of Princess Adila bint Abdullah, deputy chairperson of the National Family Safety Program, who attended the seminar on the role of judicial and security institutions in preventing domestic violence.

Read more [URL="http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1&section=0&article=122378&d=10&m=5&y=2009"]HERE[/URL].

Ang panguumbag sa asawang pagsaway ang isa sa natutunan siguro ng judge sa koran kaya naman sa kanyang verdict binigyan nya ng pahintulot ang asawa na umbagin ang asawang pasaway

so suma total 4 na po ang umaamin na terapi nga po ang paguumbag sa asawa

2 muslim iskolar na nasa video
1 forumers na si shemp
1 judge mula sa artikulong ating sinipi

gin wrote:Matanong ko lang po kayong dalawa, alam n'yo po ba ang ibig sabihin ng salitang 'therapy'?

Tanungin mo si botbot kasi siya ang nagsabing therapy ang pagbugbog sa asawa.

Harballah wrote:Botbot may tanong ako sa inyo, sa Kristiyano ba kapag binubugbog ng asawang lalaki ang asawang babae ay puwede bang hiwalayan ng babae si Lalaki tulad ng binanggit sa Quran na ito.

4:128. If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband's part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; and such settlement is best; even though men's souls are swayed by greed. But if ye do good and practise self-restraint, Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do.

Sige nga sumagot ka naman para sa ganoon ay makita natin kung ano ang turo ni Pablo sa inyo.

Hindi pa nasagot ni botbot ito at hindi parin naibigay ang link na sinasabing nagkatalakayan sila ni Shemp.