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false teaching of catholics
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Esther
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false teaching of catholics
by Liway Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:27 pm
I have not come here "to make trouble" I have come here to expose the
false teachings of the Catholics and those like them in an amicable
discussion format.
Is there any one prepared to have a go at defending their catholic dogma, which frankly contradicts most of the Bible?
hurry grab the offer, I only have few days to stay here the owner sipa boy is about to kick me out!
false teachings of the Catholics and those like them in an amicable
discussion format.
Is there any one prepared to have a go at defending their catholic dogma, which frankly contradicts most of the Bible?
hurry grab the offer, I only have few days to stay here the owner sipa boy is about to kick me out!
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Re: false teaching of catholics
by Amigo Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:33 pm
Typical protesters offer... he,he,he!
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Re: false teaching of catholics
by sakundes Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:39 pm
well dood, im with you on this one ^_^
but to tell you honestly.. i think ou may have had a troubled childhood.. you seem to lust so much for blood.. you share the same thirst as I. and i like that ^_^
let the bloodletting cometh! ^_^
but to tell you honestly.. i think ou may have had a troubled childhood.. you seem to lust so much for blood.. you share the same thirst as I. and i like that ^_^
let the bloodletting cometh! ^_^
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Re: false teaching of catholics
by Liway Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:43 pm
anyone? how about those blond foreigneirs afraid too baby?
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Re: false teaching of catholics
by Amigo Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:48 pm
A devil is offering again.. Anyone cares? He,he,he!
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Re: false teaching of catholics
by ramcam2 Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:02 pm
why don't you give us the Catholic dogma you are questioning and let us find out how you understand it.
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Re: false teaching of catholics
by Esther Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:18 pm
Liway wrote:anyone? how about those blond foreigneirs afraid too baby?
I'm not Mr. P make sure it's different this time.
I suggest you begin by naming just one teaching that you believe is false.
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Re: false teaching of catholics
by fredms3 Sun Aug 08, 2010 7:22 pm
ramcam2 wrote:why don't you give us the Catholic dogma you are questioning and let us find out how you understand it.
Korek bro. Ram. Sabihin kung ano ang gustong topic ni Mr. Laway.
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Re: false teaching of catholics
by miss_terry Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:04 pm
Show some proofs.
And let the battle begins.
And let the battle begins.
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Re: false teaching of catholics
by Amigo Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:16 pm
Mr. Liway? akala ko Mam Liway... Parang may hindi ako nasusundan na pangyayari ah ha,ha,ha!
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Scripture's please!!!
by Liway Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:18 pm
he he he easy pk - girls!
There are basically two major concerns I have regarding the misunderstood teachings of those who currently support 1. The concept of fallen heavenly angel beings. 2. The trinity concept.
From my 20 year experience the 2nd topic is better left alone until the 1st has been given a thorough examination.
Therefore if agreeable I would love to hear from some one who supports this alleged 'satan / devil / demons = fallen heavenly angels.
When did they / it allegedly fall? (Scriptures please?)
Why did some of them become demons and not others? (Scriptures please?)
Is this alleged Satan God's greatest enemy or a lesser enemy? (Scriptures please?)
Is 'The Serpent of Eden = to or 'the same' as this alleged Satan supernatural 'being' (i.e. was it this Satan in disguise or - / other answer? (Scriptures pease?)
It would be nice also for me to engage 'one on one' if permissable as answering many detractors becomes exhaustive and unnecessary repetition just wastes time. Yours and mine.
Unless stated otherwise, I invariably use the Standard King James Bible and the EMPHATIC Diaglott Greek 'Word for Word' to English New Testament Interlinear called the EMPHATIC Diaglott by Dr. J.J. Griesbach. - B. Wilson
To minimise error, I appreciate all refernces and resources to be given at all times?
The Catholic Edition of the Bible contains many books regarded by non-Catholics as 'non-inspired' and therefore of no value.
I trust therefore that the Catholics here are able to support their 'claims' by another Bible Version, preferably the KJSV I use.
If this is ok then I look forward to a mutually beneficial exchange.
In God's Love
There are basically two major concerns I have regarding the misunderstood teachings of those who currently support 1. The concept of fallen heavenly angel beings. 2. The trinity concept.
From my 20 year experience the 2nd topic is better left alone until the 1st has been given a thorough examination.
Therefore if agreeable I would love to hear from some one who supports this alleged 'satan / devil / demons = fallen heavenly angels.
When did they / it allegedly fall? (Scriptures please?)
Why did some of them become demons and not others? (Scriptures please?)
Is this alleged Satan God's greatest enemy or a lesser enemy? (Scriptures please?)
Is 'The Serpent of Eden = to or 'the same' as this alleged Satan supernatural 'being' (i.e. was it this Satan in disguise or - / other answer? (Scriptures pease?)
It would be nice also for me to engage 'one on one' if permissable as answering many detractors becomes exhaustive and unnecessary repetition just wastes time. Yours and mine.
Unless stated otherwise, I invariably use the Standard King James Bible and the EMPHATIC Diaglott Greek 'Word for Word' to English New Testament Interlinear called the EMPHATIC Diaglott by Dr. J.J. Griesbach. - B. Wilson
To minimise error, I appreciate all refernces and resources to be given at all times?
The Catholic Edition of the Bible contains many books regarded by non-Catholics as 'non-inspired' and therefore of no value.
I trust therefore that the Catholics here are able to support their 'claims' by another Bible Version, preferably the KJSV I use.
If this is ok then I look forward to a mutually beneficial exchange.
In God's Love
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Re: false teaching of catholics
by ramcam2 Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:19 pm
Liway wrote:he he he easy pk - girls!
There are basically two major concerns I have regarding the misunderstood teachings of those who currently support 1. The concept of fallen heavenly angel beings. 2. The trinity concept.
From my 20 year experience the 2nd topic is better left alone until the 1st has been given a thorough examination.
Therefore if agreeable I would love to hear from some one who supports this alleged 'satan / devil / demons = fallen heavenly angels.
When did they / it allegedly fall? (Scriptures please?)
Why did some of them become demons and not others? (Scriptures please?)
Is this alleged Satan God's greatest enemy or a lesser enemy? (Scriptures please?)
Is 'The Serpent of Eden = to or 'the same' as this alleged Satan supernatural 'being' (i.e. was it this Satan in disguise or - / other answer? (Scriptures pease?)
It would be nice also for me to engage 'one on one' if permissable as answering many detractors becomes exhaustive and unnecessary repetition just wastes time. Yours and mine.
Unless stated otherwise, I invariably use the Standard King James Bible and the EMPHATIC Diaglott Greek 'Word for Word' to English New Testament Interlinear called the EMPHATIC Diaglott by Dr. J.J. Griesbach. - B. Wilson
To minimise error, I appreciate all refernces and resources to be given at all times?
The Catholic Edition of the Bible contains many books regarded by non-Catholics as 'non-inspired' and therefore of no value.
I trust therefore that the Catholics here are able to support their 'claims' by another Bible Version, preferably the KJSV I use.
If this is ok then I look forward to a mutually beneficial exchange.
In God's Love
wow!!!!!!!!!!!!
but where is the supposed catholic doctrine that you are supposed to disagree with?
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Re: false teaching of catholics
by Esther Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:40 pm
Liway wrote:he he he easy pk - girls!
There are basically two major concerns I have regarding the misunderstood teachings of those who currently support 1. The concept of fallen heavenly angel beings. 2. The trinity concept.
From my 20 year experience the 2nd topic is better left alone until the 1st has been given a thorough examination.
Therefore if agreeable I would love to hear from some one who supports this alleged 'satan / devil / demons = fallen heavenly angels.
When did they / it allegedly fall? (Scriptures please?)
Why did some of them become demons and not others? (Scriptures please?)
Is this alleged Satan God's greatest enemy or a lesser enemy? (Scriptures please?)
Is 'The Serpent of Eden = to or 'the same' as this alleged Satan supernatural 'being' (i.e. was it this Satan in disguise or - / other answer? (Scriptures pease?)
It would be nice also for me to engage 'one on one' if permissable as answering many detractors becomes exhaustive and unnecessary repetition just wastes time. Yours and mine.
Unless stated otherwise, I invariably use the Standard King James Bible and the EMPHATIC Diaglott Greek 'Word for Word' to English New Testament Interlinear called the EMPHATIC Diaglott by Dr. J.J. Griesbach. - B. Wilson
To minimise error, I appreciate all refernces and resources to be given at all times?
The Catholic Edition of the Bible contains many books regarded by non-Catholics as 'non-inspired' and therefore of no value.
I trust therefore that the Catholics here are able to support their 'claims' by another Bible Version, preferably the KJSV I use.
If this is ok then I look forward to a mutually beneficial exchange.
In God's Love
When you ask Catholics questions about the Faith, you should expect to get a Catholic answer. Therefore, we will not limit our answers only to Scripture or only to Protestant Scriptures.
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Re: false teaching of catholics
by Yidda Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:02 am
Hi Liway,
are you a christadelpian? those type of questions ARE. I don't think you are one of them.
THE DEVIL IN THE MIRROR AND OTHER CHRISTADELPHIAN THEOLOGY BY ROBERT C. HILL, THB.
http://www.nowthink.com/devil_in_the_mirror_and_other_ch.htm
THE CHRISTADELPIANS What do they Believe?
http://www.macgregorministries.org/cult_groups/christadelphians.html
there are so many Liway.
are you a christadelpian? those type of questions ARE. I don't think you are one of them.
THE DEVIL IN THE MIRROR AND OTHER CHRISTADELPHIAN THEOLOGY BY ROBERT C. HILL, THB.
http://www.nowthink.com/devil_in_the_mirror_and_other_ch.htm
THE CHRISTADELPIANS What do they Believe?
http://www.macgregorministries.org/cult_groups/christadelphians.html
there are so many Liway.
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Re: false teaching of catholics
by gin Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:15 am
Liway wrote:he he he easy pk - girls!
There are basically two major concerns I have regarding the misunderstood teachings of those who currently support 1. The concept of fallen heavenly angel beings. 2. The trinity concept.
From my 20 year experience the 2nd topic is better left alone until the 1st has been given a thorough examination.
Therefore if agreeable I would love to hear from some one who supports this alleged 'satan / devil / demons = fallen heavenly angels.
When did they / it allegedly fall? (Scriptures please?)
Why did some of them become demons and not others? (Scriptures please?)
Is this alleged Satan God's greatest enemy or a lesser enemy? (Scriptures please?)
Is 'The Serpent of Eden = to or 'the same' as this alleged Satan supernatural 'being' (i.e. was it this Satan in disguise or - / other answer? (Scriptures pease?)
It would be nice also for me to engage 'one on one' if permissable as answering many detractors becomes exhaustive and unnecessary repetition just wastes time. Yours and mine.
Unless stated otherwise, I invariably use the Standard King James Bible and the EMPHATIC Diaglott Greek 'Word for Word' to English New Testament Interlinear called the EMPHATIC Diaglott by Dr. J.J. Griesbach. - B. Wilson
To minimise error, I appreciate all refernces and resources to be given at all times?
The Catholic Edition of the Bible contains many books regarded by non-Catholics as 'non-inspired' and therefore of no value.
I trust therefore that the Catholics here are able to support their 'claims' by another Bible Version, preferably the KJSV I use.
If this is ok then I look forward to a mutually beneficial exchange.
In God's Love
Nice questions...
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Re: false teaching of catholics
by Esther Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:09 pm
those questions were speculatively answered in my thread Heaven and Earth by different posters. I think.
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Re: false teaching of catholics
by ramcam2 Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:39 pm
From the Catechism:
II. THE FALL OF THE ANGELS
391 Behind the disobedient choice of our first parents lurks a seductive voice, opposed to God, which makes them fall into death out of envy.266 Scripture and the Church's Tradition see in this being a fallen angel, called "Satan" or the "devil".267 The Church teaches that Satan was at first a good angel, made by God: "The devil and the other demons were indeed created naturally good by God, but they became evil by their own doing."268
392 Scripture speaks of a sin of these angels.269 This "fall" consists in the free choice of these created spirits, who radically and irrevocably rejected God and his reign. We find a reflection of that rebellion in the tempter's words to our first parents: "You will be like God."270 The devil "has sinned from the beginning"; he is "a liar and the father of lies".271
393 It is the irrevocable character of their choice, and not a defect in the infinite divine mercy, that makes the angels' sin unforgivable. "There is no repentance for the angels after their fall, just as there is no repentance for men after death."272
394 Scripture witnesses to the disastrous influence of the one Jesus calls "a murderer from the beginning", who would even try to divert Jesus from the mission received from his Father.273 "The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil."274 In its consequences the gravest of these works was the mendacious seduction that led man to disobey God.
395 The power of Satan is, nonetheless, not infinite. He is only a creature, powerful from the fact that he is pure spirit, but still a creature. He cannot prevent the building up of God's reign. Although Satan may act in the world out of hatred for God and his kingdom in Christ Jesus, and although his action may cause grave injuries - of a spiritual nature and, indirectly, even of a physical nature - to each man and to society, the action is permitted by divine providence which with strength and gentleness guides human and cosmic history. It is a great mystery that providence should permit diabolical activity, but "we know that in everything God works for good with those who love him."275
II. THE FALL OF THE ANGELS
391 Behind the disobedient choice of our first parents lurks a seductive voice, opposed to God, which makes them fall into death out of envy.266 Scripture and the Church's Tradition see in this being a fallen angel, called "Satan" or the "devil".267 The Church teaches that Satan was at first a good angel, made by God: "The devil and the other demons were indeed created naturally good by God, but they became evil by their own doing."268
392 Scripture speaks of a sin of these angels.269 This "fall" consists in the free choice of these created spirits, who radically and irrevocably rejected God and his reign. We find a reflection of that rebellion in the tempter's words to our first parents: "You will be like God."270 The devil "has sinned from the beginning"; he is "a liar and the father of lies".271
393 It is the irrevocable character of their choice, and not a defect in the infinite divine mercy, that makes the angels' sin unforgivable. "There is no repentance for the angels after their fall, just as there is no repentance for men after death."272
394 Scripture witnesses to the disastrous influence of the one Jesus calls "a murderer from the beginning", who would even try to divert Jesus from the mission received from his Father.273 "The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil."274 In its consequences the gravest of these works was the mendacious seduction that led man to disobey God.
395 The power of Satan is, nonetheless, not infinite. He is only a creature, powerful from the fact that he is pure spirit, but still a creature. He cannot prevent the building up of God's reign. Although Satan may act in the world out of hatred for God and his kingdom in Christ Jesus, and although his action may cause grave injuries - of a spiritual nature and, indirectly, even of a physical nature - to each man and to society, the action is permitted by divine providence which with strength and gentleness guides human and cosmic history. It is a great mystery that providence should permit diabolical activity, but "we know that in everything God works for good with those who love him."275
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