Re: Moral Relativism: Do you agree with this?

by **Ateo** Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:05 am

Thanks, Marc, for clarifying my point.

Ganito na lang ang magandang example ng moral relativism, Fred. Tingnan mo ang suot ng inyong sister o misis -- halimbawa, ordinary office attire. Sa paningin ng mga medieval Catholics ay immoral po ang attire ng misis mo. Kasi, para sa kanila ay nakatakip talaga lahat. Pati nga "legs" ng mesa ay nilalagyan ng cover (I'm not joking here). So, kung ano ang immoral sa kanilang pananaw ay moral na po sa ating panahon. Moral relativism po yan. Ang morality ay nakabase na pananaw ng lipunan at ng panahon. Wala pong absolute morality. Some moral principles ay less changeable than others, but all could be subject to change.

by fredms3 Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:52 pm

Marc and Ateo, i'l post this again for clarity:

Moral relativism is the belief that there are no moral absolutes; That morality is relative to something (i.e. individual or society).

Agree or disagree?

by **Ateo** Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:53 pm

Agree. Then, what?

by fredms3 Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:16 pm

Hitler believed that killing these jews is moral thus, did it.

by **Ateo** Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:18 pm

So, Hitler was wrong and immoral. That is clear. I don't think Hitler thought it was moral. He was secretive about it.

by fredms3 Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:26 pm

Ateo wrote:So, Hitler was wrong and immoral. That is clear. I don't think Hitler thought it was moral. He was secretive about it.

For us he is immoral.

What made you think that Hitler knew what he was doing was immoral the fact that his action spoke of what he had inside.

by **Ateo** Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:50 pm

I'm really not so getting it about your Hitler example. I think HItler was immoral. What is your point? Can you elaborate on your argument just as I have elaborated on mine sometime ago?

by **Ateo** Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:44 am

Mukhang hindi umusad and ating diskusyon, Fred. Naaberya dahil sa example mo na si Hitler na hindi mo naman nilinaw masyado. Anyway, ito na lang ang example ko. Tingnan mo ang poste ni Adan sa Islam board. Masabi mo ba sa kanyang poste na ang morality ay relative o absolute?

adanedhel wrote:Noong panahon pa ng OT bata pa ang paniniwala ng mga tao, kailangan nila ng mas istriktong batas para sila ay sumunod. Sa paglipas ng panahon unti-unting tumatanda o nagmamature ang paniniwalang iyon, at sa pagdating ng NT ang nagiging batayan na ay ang PAG-IBIG na ipinangangaral ni Jesu-Cristo. Sa Katolikong pananaw laging ang sentro ay si Kristo, ang OT ay reference na lang kung paanong nabuo ang paniniwalang iyon.

Ngayon sa pamamaraan ng capital punishment na stoning, katanggap-tanggap pa ito sa panahon ng OT dahil sa hindi pa sila masyadong mulat kung bakit ganito ang pamamalakad ng Diyos, ngunit sa panahon ng NT ang pag-ibig at pagpapatawad na ang nagiging batas. Noong may nahuling babaeng nakikiapid paano ito hinatulan ni Jesus? Sabi Niya "let those who have no sin cast the first stone to this woman."

Kaya sa makabagong panahong ito it is so barbaric and so rude to know na mayroon pa ring ganung punishment kagaya na lang ng stoning at beheading.

by MarcCatholic Fri Aug 20, 2010 3:03 am

Kuya Fred, hindi ko talaga ma-gets yong pinupunto mo about Hitler. Ok na ako doon sa tanong. May mga bagay naman talaga dati na hindi na applicable ngayon pero may moralidad na nananatiling applicable sa kasalukuyang panahon. Depende nga po yan e kaya subjective ang topic. Ako di ko pa alam ang stand ng simbahan dito. Pero, ang hindi ko talaga ma-gets ay yong page-example mo kay Hitler. Ano naman kung moral sa kanya e kahit noong panahong yon I don't think so na moral ang pumatay. Siya po ang may mali ng pang-unawa. Against naman tayo sa kanyang pamamaslang e kahit si Ateo kaya hindi ko alam bakit nadudugtong doon ang MR at parang primary bullet sa topic. Hindi sinet ng society yong pagpatay sa mga Hudyo, kundi sa pananaw ng isang tao at doon pumasok sa banga si Hitler.

by fredms3 Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:26 pm

Actually Marc yan ang pinupunto ng topic dito.

If you for example agree with moral relativism, then it follows that what another person does because he believes that it's moral to do like killing people, though the law says it's perniciously immoral to kill, then your belief in moral relativism places you in a estopped position because that's what MR is all about ----morality depends on the belief of an individual.

Hitler is the best example for this.

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