Yidda and the 1st Corinthians

Because Yidda is a good Christian, I would assume that she keeps total silence in church. The Apostle Paul warned that "Women should keep silence in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says." (1 Cor 14:34). One could wiggle around that provision, but that statement is as clear as day.

Emerging as an articulate and well informed Christian, Yidda is posting a lot of religious stuff, lecturing to us men. That is impressively unlike other women posting sappy, cute posts in the old BARM as if it is Facebook. As a bleeding social liberal atheist, I don't mind that women are on top, literally and figuratively, he he he. But is it the religious view to allow women to lecture to men on theological issues? I am just curious.

I agree With ateo..

Ateo wrote:Because Yidda is a good Christian, I would assume that she keeps total silence in church. The Apostle Paul warned that "Women should keep silence in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says." (1 Cor 14:34). One could wiggle around that provision, but that statement is as clear as day.

1 Cor 14:34 Women should be silent in the churches. For it is not permitted for them to speak; but instead, they should be subordinate, as the law also says.

This silence is somewhat figurative. It is not the case that women cannot pray out loud, or sing, or speak in other ways. Rather it is a figure for a difference in roles in the churches, particularly at Mass, but at other liturgical services also. And it indicates a difference in roles between men and women in the Church as a whole.

This passage should be one of many that supports the teaching that women cannot be ordained as priests or bishops. This silence of women in the Church in effect prohibits them from certain roles of authority, leadership, and teaching (which are indicated by the figure of silence).

Even within the Trinity, there is order and obedience and a difference (though in a very different sense) in roles. So any woman who objects to a difference in roles, or to obedience, or to silence (as a figure) is objecting to the Nature of God. God wills that men and women have different roles because the very Nature of God is Three Persons, not only one, and they differ from one another; they are not entirely identical. This difference is found in what we might call, by analogy, the roles of each Person.

The Father sent the Son; the Son obeys the Father. They are equal as God, and yet they have different roles. Similarly men and women are equal as human beings, yet have different roles.

John 5:19 Then Jesus responded and said to them: “Amen, amen, I say to you, the Son is not able to do anything of himself, but only what he has seen the Father doing. For whatever he does, even this does the Son do, similarly.

14: 35 And if they want to learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in church.

It is most disgraceful for a woman to take the role of a Bishop or priest; it is also disgraceful for a woman to take the role of a man.These things offend God because God put a certain order within humanity, which is a reflection of the Nature of God. For there are three Persons as One God, and they have different roles (although when speaking about God, 'roles' is figurative).

14: 36 So now, did the Word of God proceed from you? Or was it sent to you alone?
14: 37 If anyone seems to be a prophet or a spiritual person, he should understand these things which I am writing to you, that these things are the commandments of the Lord.
14:38 If anyone does not recognize these things, he should not be recognized.

Whoever does not recognize the teaching that men and women are given different roles in the Church, the family, and society by God, should not be recognized as a teacher in the Church.

Ateo wrote:
Emerging as an articulate and well informed Christian, Yidda is posting a lot of religious stuff, lecturing to us men. That is impressively unlike other women posting sappy, cute posts in the old BARM as if it is Facebook. As a bleeding social liberal atheist, I don't mind that women are on top, literally and figuratively, he he he. But is it the religious view to allow women to lecture to men on theological issues? I am just curious.

Women should generally not have formal positions of teaching, authority, or leadership over adult men. There is a certain order intended by God for humanity, in which men and women have different roles. However, women can teach informally, by word and example as the situation and need arises. All the faithful are called to be little apostles, preaching the Gospel in various ways, according to their ability and state of life.

The women doctors of the Church are only three. The men doctors of the Church are thirty. This difference in number is not due to a prejudice in the Church against women. It shows that men and women have different roles in teaching the faithful. Women can teach informally, such as by example, by writing a book, by discussing the faith. The women doctors took no role of teaching, authority, or leadership over men. Two were nuns who had some authority in their orders (St. Therese and St. Teresa). One was a lay woman and member of a third order (St. Catherineof Siena).

Defensive and Insecure si Yidda well anyway ganyan talaga

enghelee10 wrote:Defensive and Insecure si Yidda well anyway ganyan talaga

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The phrase ‘ipse dixit’ means ‘he himself said it.’ The term is used to describe a type of argument in which the person presents one or more assertions, as if each statement were certainly true, but without any support. This is a common type of false argument used today.

The problem is that many Catholics are ignorant as to what the Church actually teaches. And yet they take it upon themselves to teach and correct others, based on their own ignorance and misunderstanding.

So, if we follow the Apostle Paul, Yidda, would you be allowed to teach us - males - religious topics or shouldn't you just stay submissive and serve us coffee?

Mine is with 1 sugar and creamer, please.

Ateo wrote:So, if we follow the Apostle Paul, Yidda, would you be allowed to teach us - males - religious topics or shouldn't you just stay submissive and serve us coffee?

Mine is with 1 sugar and creamer, please.

We have categorized our coffees according to a spectrum of profiles: mild, smooth and bold. oh! sorry Yidda quit her work at Starbucks you know.

going back to the topic:

This is the way that it shoud be: Man for formal teaching roles. Women can teach by example, by writing articles or books, by discussion(like this - informal)with fellow Catholics. It is only certain formal roles of teaching that ought to be prohibited. And even then, women can still teach other women and children.

In some circumstances a women can teach or correct men. example - A wife might correct her husband, but not as if from authority. St Catherine of Siena, has corrected some Cardinals and a Pope for immorality. We are all equal under the moral law. Even so, it is not God's will for women generally to teach, correct, lead, and have authority over men. Then too, if someone show no willingness to accept correction, nor even to accept the teaching of the Church, we are not obligated to correct or teach them.

In Yidda's case she did not teach anything new...for me they were just some sort of reminders as they were largely quoted from Catholic sources, which were all thought and written by men.

There is a big difference between passive and active submission to men's authority.

enghelee10 wrote:Defensive and Insecure si Yidda well anyway ganyan talaga

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