read! In the Name of your Lord Who has created (all that exists).

harballah wrote:

Bakit naman naging malabo sa inyo, hindi ba sabi mo si Propheta Muhammad (pbuh) at anghel gabriel ang nasa kuweba ng ipahayag ang rebelasyon, ngayon sila parin iyan nasa hadith na paskil ko kung saan pinabigkas parin ulit ng anghel gabriel kay Muhammad (pbuh) ang kapahayagan at hindi po pinabasa, ano ngayon ang malabo diyan

harballah wrote:Sapagkat sa Islam ay hindi lang sa Quran nakabasi kundi sa hadith at sunnah ng propeta Muhammad (pbuh).

Kaya nga iyong talata sa Quran ay nasa hadith din, kaso lang mayroon nagmamagaling na isang Ravlam na tulad ng ibang kristiyano ay namulot sa anti-islam websites at ginagawang argumento sa kabila ng hindi nila nauunawaan kung bakit ginamit ng pinagkunan nila.

Napatunayan natin na sumang-ayon ka na si Anghel Gabriel ang kausap ng propheta sa kuweba, so bakit ngayon hindi ka nananiwala na siya rin iyong kausap niya dito sa hadith.

Sahih Bukhari:
"The Prophet used to recite the Holy Qur'an to gabriel (Book #31, Hadith #126)"

Sahih Muslim:
"and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) recited to him the Qur'an; (Book #030, Hadith #5718)"

Ayan binibigkas po kasi wala naman aklat ng Quran na hawak-hawak siya atsaka hindi po siya nakakabasa

RavlaM wrote:

Nakakatawa na po kayo...ang patunay po ninyo ay hindi sa sustansya ng inilatag ninyo kundi dahil lamang sa sila rin ang nagusap sa magkakaibang pagkakataon.
Ang sistema po ninyo eh nagusap muli ang dalawa at nagamit ang katagang "recite" eh tinumbuk mo na.

Magbigay po naman kayo ng kapanipaniwalang diskurso.

Jewel wrote:

Lumbas din na mahina ka nga kasi nakikipagtalo ka sa terminologies ng Quran samantalang dictionary ka lang pala umaasa hehheehehe

hindi dyan ang dapat mong puntahan malvar boy, kumunsulta ka sa arabic lexi at sa tafaseer ng quran para maintindihan mo ang boong meaning hehehhehe

IQRA means either READ or RECITE depending on the context. kaya kapag sinabi sayo na IQRA suratul fatiha bi kulli salah, ibig sabihin ay e-recite mo kasi hindi ka dapat magbasa ng libro sa salah.

Ang ibinigay sayo ng dictionary ay isang meaning lang ng Iqra kasi hindi naman tungkol sa quran ang binigyan ng definition nun hehhehe

oh ito basahin mo:


read

–verb (used with object)

1. to look at carefully so as to understand the meaning of (something written, printed, etc.): to read a book; to read music.



2. to utter aloud or render in speech : reading a story to his children; The actor read his lines in a booming voice.

kita mo na, dalawa ang meaning ng read kahit sa English language?


nagmamarunong ka kasi s ISlam mangmang ka naman

RavlaM wrote:Andami po ninyong pinagsasabi. Puwede bang ipakita mo ang kuniksyon ng mga verses mo sa tanong ko...sinabi ba nila na ang "read " ay recite din?

Nakakatawa po ang source ng dictionary mo...ano po ba yan. http://profile.imageshack.us/user/jeddahstorm

Tingnan po ninyo na galing sa "Islamic Dictionary" ang pinoste ko.
http://www.islamic-dictionary.com/index.php?word=iqra

Parang niloloko ka po lamang ng diksyonaryo na kinunan mo.

Di ba niyan alam na ang "recite eh "Yatloo".

Sulat na lang po muna kayo sa "Islamic Dictionary" doon na kayo magpaliwanag.

harballah wrote:Papaano nga naman magbasa ang propheta gayong ang linaw ng sabi ng Allah subhana wa taalah, ito basahin mo ang patungkol sa kanya (Muhammad).


7:157-158
"Those who follow the apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper." day: "O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to Whom belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, who believeth in Allah and His words: follow him that (so) ye may be guided."


62:2
It is He Who has sent amongst the unlettered an apostle from among themselves, to rehearse to them His Signs, to sanctify them, and to instruct them in Scripture and Wisdom,- although they had been, before, in manifest error;-


Ayan malinaw na alam ng Allah subhana wa taalah na ang kanyang propheta na isusugo ay hindi nakakabasa, papaano mo naisip na ipinababasa iyong Iqra.

Ito bibigyan kita ng sampol mula sa talata sa Quran.

17:45
When thou dost recite the Qur'an, We put, between thee and those who believe not in the Hereafter, a veil invisible:


a) When thou dost recite the Qur'an

b) وَإِذَا قَرَأْتَ الْقُرْآنَ

c) Waitha qarata al'qurana

Ayan malinaw na iyong nasa Quran 17:45 ay isinalin sa word na Qarata/recite, ito pa baka sabihin mo tulad mo ako na puro laway lang ang sagot.

Ang dictionary ng Islam sites na aking source.


By jeddahstorm at 2010-10-08

RavlaM wrote:Naku naman po, alin po ba ang mali ang Islamic dictionary, o yang inilatag mo?

Mukhang hindi unanimous ang nangyari.

harballah wrote:Naku sinagot kana ni jewel diyan, nagmamagaling ka kasi sa isang katuruan na hindi naman iyo.





Papaano nga naman magbasa ang propheta gayong ang linaw ng sabi ng Allah subhana wa taalah, ito basahin mo ang patungkol sa kanya (Muhammad).


7:157-158
"Those who follow the apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper." day: "O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to Whom belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, who believeth in Allah and His words: follow him that (so) ye may be guided."


62:2
It is He Who has sent amongst the unlettered an apostle from among themselves, to rehearse to them His Signs, to sanctify them, and to instruct them in Scripture and Wisdom,- although they had been, before, in manifest error;-


Ayan malinaw na alam ng Allah subhana wa taalah na ang kanyang propheta na isusugo ay hindi nakakabasa, papaano mo naisip na ipinababasa iyong Iqra.

Ito bibigyan kita ng sampol mula sa talata sa Quran.

17:45
When thou dost recite the Qur'an, We put, between thee and those who believe not in the Hereafter, a veil invisible:


a) When thou dost recite the Qur'an

b) وَإِذَا قَرَأْتَ الْقُرْآنَ

c) Waitha qarata al'qurana

Ayan malinaw na iyong nasa Quran 17:45 ay isinalin sa word na Qarata/recite, ito pa baka sabihin mo tulad mo ako na puro laway lang ang sagot.

Ang dictionary ng Islam sites na aking source.


By jeddahstorm at 2010-10-08

RavlaM wrote:Alam po ninyo ilang sets na ng mga talata at ahadith ang inilatag ninyo dito pero di nyo manlang maipaliwanag ang gusto ninyong ipahiwatig na kuniksyon sa ating issue.

Funny sa dictionariong arabic english na inilatag mo eh hindi ata nila alam na ang Yatloo ang ibig sabihin ay recite....
Gusto ko pong sabihin sa mga nagbabasa dito na ito ay symptomas na wala talaga silang argumentong itatapat sa binaggit ni angel jibreel (kuno)
na "read"

Kaya pinagpilitan na ang read ay recite daw.

harballah wrote:Matanong muna kita, sigurado ka bang nasa ayat 3 and 4 iyan?

Tingnan natin kung sigurado ang namumulot ng websites

harballah wrote:Kitam huhugot ka ng mga talata at ibabasi mo lang doon sa nakita mo, ngayon papaano ka nakakasiguro na iyong yatloo na iyan ay recite.....

Sige po pakituruan mo muna ako kasi mahirap ng nakita mo lang gumawa ka ng istorya.

RavlaM wrote:

Teka, marunong po ba katong mag translate ng arabic

harballah wrote:Hay! naku hirap talaga kapag kausap mo ay puro laway, useless lang ang mga inilalatag ko....

Tell me lang kapag handa ka ng sagutin ito.

7:157-158
"Those who follow the apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper." day: "O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to Whom belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, who believeth in Allah and His words: follow him that (so) ye may be guided."


62:2
It is He Who has sent amongst the unlettered an apostle from among themselves, to rehearse to them His Signs, to sanctify them, and to instruct them in Scripture and Wisdom,- although they had been, before, in manifest error;-


Ayan malinaw na alam ng Allah subhana wa taalah na ang kanyang propheta na isusugo ay hindi nakakabasa, papaano mo naisip na ipinababasa iyong Iqra.

Ito bibigyan kita ng sampol mula sa talata sa Quran.

17:45
When thou dost recite the Qur'an, We put, between thee and those who believe not in the Hereafter, a veil invisible:


a) When thou dost [b]recite the Qur'an

b) وَإِذَا قَرَأْتَ الْقُرْآنَ

c) Waitha qarata al'qurana

Ayan malinaw na iyong nasa Quran 17:45 ay isinalin sa word na Qarata/recite, ito pa baka sabihin mo tulad mo ako na puro laway lang ang sagot.

Ang dictionary ng Islam sites na aking source.


By jeddahstorm at 2010-10-08


Sa ngayon tutulugan muna kita

RavlaM wrote:Hahaha balik ka nanaman sa umpisa kasi nasupalpal ka.

Malinaw sa quranic translations na hindi ginamit ng quran ang "iqra" as recite.
it used the word "yatloo" as recite.
Pinakita ko na po sa iyo ang ebidens.

harballah wrote:

Naku hindi mo pa kasi nasagot itong post ko atsaka hindi mo rin masiguro ang sagot mo sa tanong ko.

Ayaw mo bang bigyan pansin ito man lang.

Natatakot ka bang masupalpal nitong english with arabic translation.

17:45
When thou dost recite the Qur'an, We put, between thee and those who believe not in the Hereafter, a veil invisible:


a) When thou dost [b]recite the Qur'an

b) وَإِذَا قَرَأْتَ الْقُرْآنَ

c) Waitha qarata al'qurana



Sige na tutal usapin naman natin ay about recite, ano po ang sabi diyan iyong word na waitha qarata ?